Yes I still will not call him president....
My sis and her children were lost in all the horrors of Katrina...
she has post tramiic symdrom because of it all.
Mr. Bush could have deployed troops to Louisana, Mississippi, alabamama,
overnight...and did not!!! He flew over Louisana but did not land and could have still deployed troops overnight here. I am so angry. People have died...just because they had no food, no hope. Am I the only one who feels this way? Let me know your thoughts on this subject.. I am willing to listen. Take care.
Peace,
Linda _________________ a poets heart is never empty....
Linda Bray
Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:16 am
Soulfire
Joined: 04 Sep 2005
Posts: 42
Location: Texas
I'm heartbroken with all the loss! I'm angry that the 'officials' did NOT evacuate those that couldn't do so on their own due to financial status and / or no transportation! I don't blame just one governing body, I blame them all. Granted no one can predict storms whether small or massive, but still, something could have been done. I work at a hotel chain and those who could get out DID get out, and filled up any vacancies within the chain I work with. I don't know about other hotels, but I do know that La Quinta is helping out more than I ever dreamed a corporation would step up to do! Not only are we big supporters of United Way, my office mates and I are donating items that are desperatly needed, we are working hand in hand with American Red Cross and FEMA, to give any assistance necessary to those displaced. It angers me that 'celebrities' are only offering small amts of cash (1 million of the several millions they clear on a monthly basis) and corporations like hotel chains are donating MORE. What is our government donating? I don't see them feeding those in need, I don't see them housing those in need, and I certainly don't see them donating TIME to help these individuals! I am sure in several cities, the citizens are doing more to help our neighbors than anyone in the government. So yes I'm really bothered about how this tragedy has been handled. Just goes to show we need a WOMAN in the oval office! _________________ Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among stars.
Fri Sep 09, 2005 7:17 am
Phoenix Moderators
Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Posts: 1664
Location: Tallahassee Florida
This brings to mind so much and as we discussed, how many empty churches and other places might have been used to give aid to these who are so much in need, but that might mean opening doors to those society does not want inside such hallowed grounds.
This song from Petra has always stirred me.
Rose-Colored Stained Glass Windows
Words and music by Bob Hartman
Another sleepy Sunday safe within the walls
Outside a dying world in desperation calls
But noone hears the cries or knows what they're about
The doors are locked within, or is it from without
(Chorus)
Looking through rose-colored stained glass windows
Never allowing the world to come in
Seeing no evil and feeling no pain
And making the light as it comes from within
So dim...So dim
Out on your doorstep lay masses in decay
Ignore them long enough maybe they'll go away
When you have so much you think you have so much to lose
You think you have no lack when you're really destitute _________________ "A little work won't hurt you bad, but just in case I'm wrong, you'll be smiling when they pronounce you dead." Amanda Marshall 'This could take all night
Fri Sep 09, 2005 8:35 am
NIC
Joined: 15 Aug 2005
Posts: 141
Location: Brooklyn NY
I'm so angry over all this crap!
All I can say anymore is............... it's a sickening embarressment! _________________
"For those who understand you,No explanation is necessary, for those who don't,none is possible."
Fri Sep 09, 2005 12:34 pm
Mdm Prez
Joined: 19 May 2005
Posts: 1536
Location: U.S. of A.
Katrina
The Battle Over New Orleans
Some things that occurred are clearly on the record such as:
On Friday night before the storm hit, Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center, in an unprecedented action, called Mayor Nagin and Gov. Blanco personally to plead with them to begin MANDATORY evacuation. They said
they'd take it under consideration. This was after the NOAA buoy had recorded 68' waves before it was destroyed.
President Bush spent Friday afternoon and evening in meetings with his advisors and administrators drafting all of the paperwork required for a state to request federal assistance (and not be in violation of the Posse
Comitatus Act or having to enact the Insurgency Act). Just before Fri evening the President called Gov. Blanco and pleaded she sign the requested papers so the federal govt and the military could legalize mobilization and call up. He was told that they didn't think it necessary for the federal government to be involved yet. After the President's final call to the Governor, she held meetings with her staff to discuss the political
ramifications of bringing federal forces. It was decided that if they allowed federal assistance, it would make it look as if they had failed, so it was agreed upon that the feds would not be invited in.
Saturday, before the storm hit, the President again called the Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin requesting they please sign the papers requesting federal assistance, that would declare a state of emergency and begin mandatory evacuation. Mayor Nagin agreed to order an evacuation, but not to be a full mandatory evacuation and the Governor still refused to sign the papers requesting and authorizing federal action. The President then declared the area a national disaster area before the state of Louisiana did so he could legally advance preparations. The President's legal advisors were meeting to discuss the ramifications of using the insurgency act to bypass the Constitutional requirement to request federal aid before the federal government can move into a state. This had not been done since 1906 and the Constitutionality of it was called into question before the disaster.
Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to New Orleans for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina with gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or corrdinated into any planning- though the documents imply that they were.
The suffering people of New Orleans need to be asking some hard questions as do all of us such as why the Gov refused to even sign the multi-state mutual aid pack activation documents until Wednesday which further delayed the legal deployment of National Guard from adjoining states. Or maybe ask why Mayor Nagin keeps harping that the President should have commandeered 500 Greyhound busses to help him when he definitely has over 500 busses at his disposal to use for the school and city transport, but he never raised a finger to prepare them or activate them.
This is a sad time for all of us to see that a major city has all but been destroyed and perhaps thousands of people have died with hundreds of thousands more suffering. But it's certainly not a time for people to be pointing fingers and trying to find a bigger dog to blame for local corruption and incompetence.
I pray for the survivors that they can start their lives anew as fast as possible and that we learn from all the mistakes to avoid them in the future. _________________ If you're not getting the answers you want,
you're not asking the right questions.
Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:47 pm
NIC
Joined: 15 Aug 2005
Posts: 141
Location: Brooklyn NY
DEFENITION "REFUGEE"
Under international law, a refugee is a person who is outside his/her country of nationality or habitual residence; has a well-founded fear of persecution because of his/her race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion; and is unable or unwilling to avail himself/herself of the protection of that country, or to return there, for fear of persecution. They are distinguished from economic migrants who have voluntarily left their country of origin for economic reasons.
JUST CURIOUS WHY "MY" FELLOW AMERICANS ARE BEING REFERRED TO AS REFUGEE'S..................... _________________
"For those who understand you,No explanation is necessary, for those who don't,none is possible."
Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:23 pm
NIC
Joined: 15 Aug 2005
Posts: 141
Location: Brooklyn NY
Barbara Bush QUOTE:
"What I'm hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas.
ON AMERICAN CITIZENS RELOCATING TO HER HOMETOWN
"And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this - this is working very well for them."
Her comments were aired on Marketplace, an American Public Radio show broadcast nationwide.
ALSO:
Just a little reminder of what life was like in that superdome.
A 2-year-old girl slept in a pool of urine. Crack vials littered a restroom. Blood stained the walls next to vending machines smashed by teenagers.
"We pee on the floor. We are like animals" . At least two people, including a child, have been raped. At least three people have died, including one man who jumped 50 feet to his death, saying he had nothing left to live for.
"There is feces on the walls," said Bryan Hebert, 43. "There is feces all over the place." There were two babies who had their throats slit. The seven-year-old girl who was raped and murdered in the Superdome. And the corpses laid out amid the excrement in the convention centre. Sitting with her daughter and other relatives, Trolkyn Joseph, 37, said men had wandered the cavernous convention centre in recent nights raping and murdering children. She said she found a dead 14-year-old girl at 5am this morning, four hours after the young girl went missing from her parents inside the convention centre."She was raped for four hours until she was dead," Joseph said through tears. "Another child, a seven-year-old boy, was found raped and murdered in the kitchen freezer last night." Three babies died at the New Orleans Convention Center from heat exhaustion. "They killed a man here last night," Steve Banka, 28, told the Reuters news agency before he left on Sunday. "A young lady was being raped and stabbed.
"And the sounds of her screaming got to this man and so he ran out into the street to get help from troops, to try to flag down a passing truck of them.
"He jumped up on the truck's windscreen and they shot him dead," Mr Banka said.
I APOLOGIZE FOR THE GRAPHIC NATURE OF THIS POST..... BUT THIS IS HOW OUR UNITED STATES GOVENMENT ALLOWED MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS TO LIVE...... _________________
"For those who understand you,No explanation is necessary, for those who don't,none is possible."
Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:26 pm
Phoenix Moderators
Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Posts: 1664
Location: Tallahassee Florida
Mdm Prez, thanks for the well presented facts. The people refused to leave despite others begging them too. They did send buses throughout the neighborhoods to get them out of the danger zone, but they figured they would sit it out, and I dare say quite a few figured on looting, and I am not talking about necessities but jewelry,guns, electronics etc.. Why didn't the mayor move the buses west of the city and have them filled with supplies? Why didnt they stockpile the centers with food and water? What kind of morons are doing disaster planning? This has been a Democrat controlled area for 60+ years, and they did nothing to prepare for the "BIG ONE" they knew would someday come and devistate their city that is 10 feet below sea level.
I have a serious issue with FEMA not acting sooner, regardless of the Governor and Mayor. People who want to be in leadership need to step up to the plate in times like these and make those tough decisions. The reason the Feds didnt go in ahead of time was purely political. The reason the Governor and Mayor did not ask for help sooner was political. I would also say criminal for I imagine that they even thought, if this goes really badly we can make it look like the Feds... i.e. Republicans are to blaim. Mind you, I am not a card carrying Republican anymore, no, I am a registered Independent voter. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. I don't want my money taken to pay for people who don't want to work and are physically and mentally able to. I don't want Government telling me how to live my life. I also don't want taxes so damn high they find wonderful casinos to buy with OUR money. That was not Government money given to build better levees. That was your's, mine, and every other Citizen who works for a living and pays taxes. We dont get to go buy casinos, jets, and other fancy toys, I think criminal investigations should take place regarding the malfeasence of public funds, and loss of life they promised to defend and protect. _________________ "A little work won't hurt you bad, but just in case I'm wrong, you'll be smiling when they pronounce you dead." Amanda Marshall 'This could take all night
Fri Sep 09, 2005 3:56 pm
Phoenix Moderators
Joined: 27 Jan 2005
Posts: 1664
Location: Tallahassee Florida
Very interesting short snippet from a blog:
Sheriff Harry Lee's deputies caught FEMA agents trying to cut the phone lines in Jefferson Parish. On Meet the Press, Parish President Aaron Broussard said that "yesterday — yesterday — FEMA comes in and cuts all of our emergency communication lines. They cut them without notice. Our sheriff, Harry Lee, goes back in, he reconnects the line. He posts armed guards and said no one is getting near these lines." Why would FEMA do that? It makes no sense in a disaster zone, but it has a logic under martial law.
How will they survive this crisis? Easy. They'll create another crisis. _________________ "A little work won't hurt you bad, but just in case I'm wrong, you'll be smiling when they pronounce you dead." Amanda Marshall 'This could take all night
Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:28 pm
Renee
Joined: 05 Jul 2005
Posts: 88
Throw in that over half the federal aid of the past decade to New Orleans for levee construction, maintenance, and repair was diverted to fund a marina with gambling ships. Toss in the investigation that will look into why the emergency preparedness plan submitted to the federal government for funding and published on the city's website was never implemented and in fact may have been bogus for the purpose of gaining additional federal funding as we now learn that the organizations identified in the plan were never contacted or corrdinated into any planning- though the documents imply that they were.
Mdm Prez makes an excellent point, here. New Orleans is known for it's crooked local govt. officials.
If what she posted is true...the Governor and Mayor Nagin (a black man, incidentally) have some serious explaining to do.
Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:15 pm
NIC
Joined: 15 Aug 2005
Posts: 141
Location: Brooklyn NY
Can I ask mdm prez
Where are these sources form?
Cause it's my understanding that MR Bush
was not at all involved in this mess
until after it occurred.
Just an honest question please don't get mad! _________________
"For those who understand you,No explanation is necessary, for those who don't,none is possible."
Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:54 pm
Mdm Prez
Joined: 19 May 2005
Posts: 1536
Location: U.S. of A.
Katrina
NIC,
No problem...Here are the sources:
Interview with Max Mayfield of the National Hurricane Center I saw on
either the Weather Channel or on Fox News.
The matter of the states rights vs fed govt intervention is in the Constitution, Posse Comitatus Act.
Other sources for me are the Drudge Report ( on line) wherein you read
the reports of some 50 or more news reporters as well as countless
newspapers.
I do not get my news from the major news networks, i.e., ABC, NBC,CBS. or
CNN.
Good to Speak with You,
Mdm _________________ If you're not getting the answers you want,
you're not asking the right questions.
Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:22 pm
NIC
Joined: 15 Aug 2005
Posts: 141
Location: Brooklyn NY
Thanx darlin! _________________
"For those who understand you,No explanation is necessary, for those who don't,none is possible."
Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:48 pm
Phoenix Moderators
Joined: 27 Jan 2005
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Location: Tallahassee Florida
Seems we read the same news Mdm. _________________ "A little work won't hurt you bad, but just in case I'm wrong, you'll be smiling when they pronounce you dead." Amanda Marshall 'This could take all night
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