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definition of a poem that is "any good"

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definition of a poem that is "any good"

The most recent (as of Jan. 25, 2007) issue of The New Yorker, kindly subscribed to by people on my mail route so that i can read them lol, has an article on the resurgent popularity of one of my favorite poets, Longfellow.
After Tennyson, I find Longfellow's poetry to have the most beautiful cadence and rythm of any I have read.
The article says that Longfellow was a storyteller (as was Tennyson!) and that modern poems, "to be considered any good, must be concise, compressed and hard to understand."

PET PEEVE ALERT!

I believe in my deepest heart that poetry should be able to be understood, at least on its face, by anyone of average intelligence. To me, if it can't be, then the writer has not done their job. And I don't mean dumbing down. That's the trick....to say simply and elegantly something that is complicated or hard to express.
I think that part of the reason so many people think poetry is irrelevant or boring is that so much of what is published today IS dense obscure mental masturbation.
Poetry should be art, it should reach across our isolation so that we can say, yes, i have felt that way too. Impenetrable intellectualized written rubik's cubes don't do that...they say, look how much smarter I am than all of you. Blah.

Post Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:54 am 
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Smart,

From a readers point of view I agree. Poetry, at least on the surface, should be easy to follow and understand. A person should be able to read a poem and say “I get it”. The poem may or may not have the same meaning to the reader as it did to the writer as far as the deeper meaning of a poem (remember people can read things into a poem whether they were written into it or not) but from the readers perspective they should be able to understand the meaning of the poem on its surface.

From a writers point of view…I still agree with you. One of the things I love about poetry is that you have the ability to place deeper and deeper meanings within a poem that is hidden beneath the surface while still having the "superficial" easy to read and understand poem laying across the top. To me that is one of the great beauties of poetry and the vast array of styles and forms that have developed throughout history. With all of the tools of poetry at a writers disposal there should be no reason a good understandable poem could not be written.

I like your perspective.

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Thanks Eire! Sadly though, you will never make a modern poet. What you wrote was far too clear! LOL!

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Post Fri Jan 26, 2007 1:21 pm 
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"dense obscure mental masturbation."

i agree with you totally...but why does this sound vaguely appealing Twisted Evil

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quote:
Originally posted by BdeCaunteton:
I'm with all of you ladies. My Poetry class is warping my mind into modernism. Why juxtaposition? What does it do for the reader? It just confuses further. Let's start a literary movement Eire!!! Very Happy


Starts signing people up for the No Mental Masturbation movement

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Sign up girls and lets get this show on the road

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quote:
Originally posted by Eiregirl:
quote:
Originally posted by BdeCaunteton:
I'm with all of you ladies. My Poetry class is warping my mind into modernism. Why juxtaposition? What does it do for the reader? It just confuses further. Let's start a literary movement Eire!!! Very Happy


Starts signing people up for the No Mental Masturbation movement

X___________

Sign up girls and lets get this show on the road

Eiregirl Arrow

Let me be the first to sign on!
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